[Application] Gamrin

Hey everyone,

It's been a while since I saw everyone from Zenith, but I know it's a fun community. Since Pk declared Oddysey as "dead" (he got tempbanned for some reason), we were suggested to find a new guild.
Now, for the needed details:

1. About my MapleStory Char (Chars, Equip, Range, HP)
All my Characters? Ohwell, I've got time. (won't be filling every piece of data initially, perhaps on request)

Name	Job	Level	Funding	Range Clean	Range Buffed	Range Perfect Party	HP
Gamrin	Demon Slayer	174	High	92732 ~ 103036	172102 ~ 191224	approx 260k	19358
ClawUA	Night Lord	181	Zero
ClawDitUA	Shadower	160	Low	7252 ~10360	11644 ~16634		5052
clawmage	Bishop	124	Low
ClawRawr	Striker	120	Low
ClawBrawl	Buccaneer	134	Low
ClawEvan	Evan	80	Low
ClawMech	Mechanic	90	Medium
ClawDK	Spearman	53	Zero
ClawShade	Night Walker	120	Low
ClawBow	Hunter	49	Zero
ClawBoom	Cannonneer	106	Low
ClawSword	Page	52	Low
ClawThor	Wizard (Ice/Lightning)	52	Medium
ClawMerc	Mercedes	95	Low

hmm, this reminds me I have to update my signature... =D
2. Introducing Yourself
Hmm, introducing me... I'd say I'm a typical nerd/geek, I do things to an extreme extent, regardless of what others say. Though these things might not always be beneficial, or even useful. I'm a competitive ballroom dancer, and I like to write poems (and songs if the situation allows it). Also I'm a programmer, and I study Software Engineering.

The name's Sander, by the way. I live in the Netherlands (Limburg), and I'm 19 years of age.

3. About Your MapleStory History (Previous Guilds Etc.)
About 5-6 years of the continuous: joining a guild, having a good time, guild gets torn apart by <insert random reason>, aaand you're flying solo again. Some previous guilds are Eave, UrbanLegends and Hysteria. I also was playing with Lmaonade when they were dominating the GPQ ranking. (Good old times)

4. Game Activity
Daily. Mostly more than 40 hours per week (sudden realization, damn that's a lot...)

5. Experience in MapleStory (Bossruns Etc. )
Well, I have solo'd pap, zak, BG, pia, anego, scar, targa and czak. And I was going to do an empress run this Sunday, not sure what will come of it.

6. Your opinion about scamming, KSing and hacking
Scamming is dishonorable, KSing is annoying, and hacking is boring.

short note on scamming: You can trade with me, and make profit 1000 times, but you can only scam me once.
KSing sometimes is necessarily, but should not be enforced when you can't. For example, if you are over-over-over funded, and you need that spot in MP3, there's always a way to reason with the people there. If they are rude and offensive, I find KSing to be allowed, as a matter of in-game punishment for being rude. I do not condone KSing purely for breaking someone's EXP-gain and hindering them in their training.

On hacking, I define hackers in certain groups.
Leechers; These are the losers of the "Hackers". They download a trainer, and use it to their advantage. No creativity or intelligence needed.

People-that-find-exploits; These people are geniuses, and should be hired by Nexon/Wizet. They look at the game critically to find small loop-holes. What they do with it is a different case.

People-that-write-trainers-with-the-exploits-from-the-aforementioned-people; These people are the most dangerous, and damage inducing in the term of "hackers". They create the hammers with which maplestory can be battered. I must say some make very beautiful hammers. (As a programmer, I can appreciate pretty code.) But yea, give any dum-dum (Leecher) a hammer, and they'll break things. (Like the economy).

note: Some hammers are delicate, and only meant to use for putting up that picture, or repairing something.

I define hackers (leechers) as people that want to eliminate the challenge in a game/task and want to skip straight to the reward. However Maplestory is (in my opinion) a game that is most fun becáuse of the difficulties you overcome (with friends).

7. Reason(s) why you want to join Zenith
I'm looking for a close-knitted community to join, and spend time with.

8. Reason(s) why you are the right person for the guild? / What you offer for this guild?
I offer a boat-load of experience in the game, inside information on the hacking scene (clearly explained for the confused), a strong bossing squad and a reliable friend.

9. People you know in Zenith
I hate this as a part of an application.
ones that spring to mind are Yura, Wessel and Galmera, Laila, Sara, other ex-UrbanLegends.

10. Goals in Maple
I made this list already somewhere... hmm... well, time to do it again, and right this time!

Bosses	Papulatus	Pianus	Zakum	Horntail	The Boss	Chaos Zakum	Chaos Horntail	Pink Bean	Cygnus	Arkarium	Auf Haven
Bosses Solo'd	Papulatus	Pianus	Zakum	Horntail	The Boss	Chaos Zakum	Chaos Horntail	Pink Bean	Cygnus	Arkarium	Auf Haven
%str	50	100	150	200	250

And some trivial leveling goals. Level 200, etc.


...Oppan Gangnam style...

Hey Sander Welcome back to the forum!

Pk kind of banned himself on purpose (his mercedes at least) by smega'ing stupid things o.o don't ask me why lol i don't know ._ .

I'll wait for some comments to the application. Good luck

P.S. one formal thing; you forgot to write down your name/age (for those who do not know you yet) and that you read and accept the rules!

"...Oppan Gangnam style..."
ROFL!

oke nice looking app very detailed (expected nuthing mroe nuthing less from ya)
also i cant agree more on ur statement about hackers
(also the genious part of it)

im holding my vote till some more ppl vote ^^

Very nice app >.>
we've done some boss todays and i know Sander for a while
friendly, talkative and helpful person
huge yes from me ;D

hello , wlecome to our forum, i think you forgot ur name and age and where you are from, but.

about
*KSing sometimes is necessarily, but should not be enforced when you can't. For example, if you are over-over-over funded, and you need that spot in MP3, there's always a way to reason with the people there. If they are rude and offensive, I find KSing to be allowed, as a matter of in-game punishment for being rude. I do not condone KSing purely for breaking someone's EXP-gain and hindering them in their training.*

i would say you shouldnt ks them even they are rude, because they might got a reason of being rude, maybe other ksers ksed him before you came who knows but i dont find that a reason to ks someone, ive been into that aswell but, i rather cc next channel instead of wasting my time making Drama and such out of it.

thats my opnion.

ill wait for future replys.

Hello Sander, welcome to our forum.

I got a question for you, didnt you applied to our guild a while ago? and what was the reason that you joined other guild afterall? also what MrXpose says at the part ''they got a reason of being rude" and + the guild name reputation will go down because of that, still holding my vote for now waiting for other members response.

Goodluck on your application.

Aegyo wrote:Hello Sander, welcome to our forum.

I got a question for you, didnt you applied to our guild a while ago? and what was the reason that you joined other guild afterall? also what MrXpose says at the part ''they got a reason of being rude" and + the guild name reputation will go down because of that, still holding my vote for now waiting for other members response.

Goodluck on your application.

Hello Aegyo,

Yes, indeed I did. In fact I was quite looking forward to joining a "pro" guild. Shortly after though, I was invited into UrbanLegends (I believe it was pk who invited me, but I could be wrong). I grew very fond of that guild, and made many friends, though I couldn't quite agree with being in a guild without a leader. Not the guild-hopping type, I stayed with the guild until the consequences of the shape of the hierarchy took effect, and packed my stuff when it had all crashed to nothing. The same thing pretty much happened with Odyssey (Including being invited in by Pk).
The second part of your question being harder to distinguish I'll answer the best I can understand it.

People that have a reason for being rude (should) make this apparent, otherwise to all the others in this world, they are rude for no reason at all. I am not a mad man picking fights with every dog on the streets, but I enjoy pulling a prank on someone who is easily provoked. Will this make the guild's reputation drop? I've seen members of Zenith act worse, and being supported in it. It's all about perspective.

MrXpose wrote:
hello , wlecome to our forum, i think you forgot ur name and age and where you are from, but.

about
*KSing sometimes is necessarily, but should not be enforced when you can't. For example, if you are over-over-over funded, and you need that spot in MP3, there's always a way to reason with the people there. If they are rude and offensive, I find KSing to be allowed, as a matter of in-game punishment for being rude. I do not condone KSing purely for breaking someone's EXP-gain and hindering them in their training.*

i would say you shouldnt ks them even they are rude, because they might got a reason of being rude, maybe other ksers ksed him before you came who knows but i dont find that a reason to ks someone, ive been into that aswell but, i rather cc next channel instead of wasting my time making Drama and such out of it.

thats my opnion.

ill wait for future replys.

Hello, and thank you for the warm wlecome ^^,

Indeed I have forgotten to note those details initially, but they're in place now. (Check point 2)

Concerning the KSing matter, I am no idiot and I see when it is appropriate and also when it is most definitely not. Changing channel might not always be a valid option, as most of the time the locations where KS is an issue, this is because CC'ing is not an option.

Do unto others as you would wish to have done onto you.



Kind regards,
Gamrin

well, as i see it when it comes to events, i see alot of people coming late for the events and start ksing just becuz its event. n saying you are that but,
i would rather find a other grinding spot then trying to steal it from someone, that clearly was there before me.

my opnion again, Ksing is ksing, no matter how you change the situation.

getting ksed is anoying yes so i mostly also use my mains to teach those ksers a lesson if they dont respect me.

but i dont go on the same level as these people.

so im just saying , ksing is bad no matter what the situation is.

MrXpose wrote:well, as i see it when it comes to events, i see alot of people coming late for the events and start ksing just becuz its event. n saying you are that but,
i would rather find a other grinding spot then trying to steal it from someone, that clearly was there before me.

my opnion again, Ksing is ksing, no matter how you change the situation.

getting ksed is anoying yes so i mostly also use my mains to teach those ksers a lesson if they dont respect me.

but i dont go on the same level as these people.

so im just saying , ksing is bad no matter what the situation is.

So you admit doing the same thing, yet frown upon me for doing it?

Gamrin wrote:

MrXpose wrote:well, as i see it when it comes to events, i see alot of people coming late for the events and start ksing just becuz its event. n saying you are that but,
i would rather find a other grinding spot then trying to steal it from someone, that clearly was there before me.

my opnion again, Ksing is ksing, no matter how you change the situation.

getting ksed is anoying yes so i mostly also use my mains to teach those ksers a lesson if they dont respect me.

but i dont go on the same level as these people.

so im just saying , ksing is bad no matter what the situation is.

So you admit doing the same thing, yet frown upon me for doing it?

yesi admit iks someone if they ks me more then 20mins cuz then its just for anoying me, but ksing if someone because the person is rude, problaby because he either had a bad day or got ksed earlyer before, means can cause to be rude and desperate after being ksed serveral times, i dont feel its a good enough reason to ks someone.

Well, I think we can all stick to "We all ks someone, when a certain related person just shows disrespect too much."

SandaraPark wrote:Well, I think we can all stick to "We all ks someone, when a certain related person just shows disrespect too much."

Agreed.

Hey sanders good luck on ur app bud n if i was allowed to vote it would been a yes cuz ur a fun guy, n u help others when in need

http://www.hellboundems.com/t3951-application-gamrin
I don't know how serious to take this regarding the reputation..

dude...8 of ur chracters...listed on ur signature thingy...are on the offender's list :S......

http://en.maplestory.nexoneu.com/Modules/Board.aspx?mode=view&bGr=Notice&bId=BBS&uid=4191&cat=0&reqpage=0&type=0&field=&keyword=

i guess that i shall think again about vote

why didnt you say anything about hacking past in app?

SandaraPark wrote:http://www.hellboundems.com/t3951-application-gamrin
I don't know how serious to take this regarding the reputation..

I'm not even allowed in voteing since im not in Zenith, but I'm not gonna vote,
I just cant hold back from writing on this apply now!

The Reputation is good for a guild, special Zenith is kinda good still growing.
If i were in Sanders steps, I would have explained the matter about the mask within
my apply, It's never good that some members find some information on the name
like that list, and mask.
However, he seems like hes done with it and want a fresh start, but I don't know him at all,
all I know is the name and he always was high in fund.

bamf_chris wrote:dude...8 of ur chracters...listed on ur signature thingy...are on the offender's list :S......

http://en.maplestory.nexoneu.com/Modules/Board.aspx?mode=view&bGr=Notice&bId=BBS&uid=4191&cat=0&reqpage=0&type=0&field=&keyword=

I even think that list, is a list made for most high lvls guilds, I think John always looked it up
when we had people applying that we didn't know much about

Well I know Sander and he sure wants a restart, but if it's hurting the guild I cannot say yes easily :s

I left the issue with the mask out because it is something I have moved past. The character(s) I play on are not on the offenders list, and have not been in contact with any hacks or exploits in any way. (not even golden temple.)

I am not proud of what I did, but I am sure that everyone has had one of those moments in his or her life. People that know me know how far they can trust me, people that don't, I encourage to get to know me before judging.

I have spoken with GhoulScout (Vicky) from HB, and she said that if it were up to her, she'd not reflect bad on me on my past if I'd apply with a new, clean character.

The issue itself I have already spoken about in a previous application to zenith, I was hoping that I could leave it out this time as it does not affect the character with which I wish to join.


For those that do not know what this is about:
On my character ClawUA I was briefly in possession of a Guy Fawkes mask.
It was bought, not created by me. And the possession of it is why I was named on the notification.

Gamrin wrote:I left the issue with the mask out because it is something I have moved past. The character(s) I play on are not on the offenders list, and have not been in contact with any hacks or exploits in any way. (not even golden temple.)

I am not proud of what I did, but I am sure that everyone has had one of those moments in his or her life. People that know me know how far they can trust me, people that don't, I encourage to get to know me before judging.

I have spoken with GhoulScout (Vicky) from HB, and she said that if it were up to her, she'd not reflect bad on me on my past if I'd apply with a new, clean character.

The issue itself I have already spoken about in a previous application to zenith, I was hoping that I could leave it out this time as it does not affect the character with which I wish to join.


For those that do not know what this is about:
On my character ClawUA I was briefly in possession of a Guy Fawkes mask.
It was bought, not created by me. And the possession of it is why I was named on the notification.

Sure, a new clean character might help, but actually this is not the only thing concerning me..
People have seen you buying mesos on the hacker site - I don't think I necessarily need to name the site - could you explain me that?
It's more the guild reputation I'm caring about right now and you might understand I do not want to risk what I have worked for the last 10 months ;o

Gamrin wrote:I left the issue with the mask out because it is something I have moved past. The character(s) I play on are not on the offenders list, and have not been in contact with any hacks or exploits in any way. (not even golden temple.)

I am not proud of what I did, but I am sure that everyone has had one of those moments in his or her life. People that know me know how far they can trust me, people that don't, I encourage to get to know me before judging.

I have spoken with GhoulScout (Vicky) from HB, and she said that if it were up to her, she'd not reflect bad on me on my past if I'd apply with a new, clean character.

The issue itself I have already spoken about in a previous application to zenith, I was hoping that I could leave it out this time as it does not affect the character with which I wish to join.


For those that do not know what this is about:
On my character ClawUA I was briefly in possession of a Guy Fawkes mask.
It was bought, not created by me. And the possession of it is why I was named on the notification.

Alright, but lets say like this:
If you join Zenith with your new main, that dosn't have any bad past from hacking and
I believe that you wouldn't do it again.

Well I think that wouldn't hurt the reputation of Zenith with your new main But
what about ClawUA? If you was in Zenith (Im not jr or anything) but my thoughts will be like
you will never be allowed to log that character again.
What i mean is, being in Zenith with your new main, there should be no bond between your other characters on the hacking list

why not just delete them? its much to ask but, if people see the bond between you and your old characters it might will hurt Zenith even with your new main.

not to be rude or anything but how did you even think about buying that mask? like on this Ss
http://en.maplestory.nexoneu.com/Maple.aspx?PART=/News/Notice&mode=view&uId=4191

it shows clearly that its hacked.

from my point of hearing this i would say no, i would been okey if you acsidently got it or something but when you bought it for own use, i also finds it a bit sceptic.

i say no because you didnt inform us about this at 1st.
im not saying no becuz of the hacked item, but you didnt tell us the truth about ur maplestory history, i find that disapointing.

sorry its a no from me.

^ this and also no from me.

I think I've seen enough now. Not accepting any rudeness at all after all this.

Application denied, thread closed.